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3 camera shots comparison – Nokia N9 vs Samsung Galaxy S2 (Updated with more N9 pics)

My last article was quite popular! So I’ll keep the tradition going but this time I’m pitting the N9 against Samsung’s almighty Galaxy S2. (SGS2) Pretty much the same thing applies to the SGS2 and I’ve used the wide mode on the SGS2 which is 6.5MP (N9 is 7MP) and everything else was set to AUTO and took the photo with virtually ZERO bias.

P.S. I have retaken the photos with the Nokia N9 just to make sure I took it at the same situation again. Also I have cleaned the lense as I can’t remember doing it yesterday. I have also ensured that the width of the photo is identical during the resizing (600 px wide) and also have removed sharpening and increased JPG quality to 90% instead of 85% which was used yesterday for the N8 comparison photos. (this was done for both SGS2 and N9  for this article) I have taken the photos multiple times with each camera and have picked the best one from both to ensure human error is taken out of the account.

Now let’s get on with the photos!

NOKIA N9 – FLASH OFF
1/15 sec , f2.2 , ISO 800


UPDATE: I have added this ISO 400 shot below but still using scene mode of AUTO which limits its shutter speed to a minimum of 1/15 sec. I will retry this photo with the N9 at NIGHT mode to unlock the shutter speed down to minimum of 1/5 sec to ensure it doesn’t underexpose like this. (it’s morning time here in Australia now so the room is lit up by sunlight)

NOKIA N9 – FLASH OFF
1/15 sec , f2.2 , ISO 400 <—- note that it’s ISO 400 this time but same 1/15 sec shutter as above pic. (which means it will be darker)


SAMSUNG GALAXY S2 – FLASH OFF
1/17 sec , f2.7 , ISO 400

To my eyes, SGS2 looks better. No question about it. White balance is much more accurate on the SGS2 also. Another thing to note the ISO difference. N9 used the maximum ISO 800 while SGS2 used a more manageable ISO 400. All this while N9 has more than a ~1/2 stop brighter lense. Weird right? I’ve triple checked the settings, and retook the photos multiple times. Same result. Go figure. N9 loses out to the SGS2 for this one.

Now on to the flash photography!

NOKIA N9 – FLASH ON
1/30 sec , f2.2 , ISO 565, Flash fired

SAMSUNG GALAXY S2 – FLASH ON
1/20 sec , f2.7 , ISO 160 , Flash fired

Seriously, SGS2 wins here again but this time only by a little bit. I’ve owned SGS2 before and one thing I know for sure is that the single LED emitter that SGS2 uses is brighter than pretty much all mobile phones I’ve tried so far. (I reckon it pumps out at least 80-100 lumens out the front) Also, look at the ISO difference again for the two shots. Only ISO 160 for the SGS2 while a very high ISO 565 for the N9 even with flash. Fine, N9 did use a 1/2 stop faster shutter speed. But the faster lense on the N9 should have covered that on it own. So why the huge difference in the ISO for the same shot? N9 needed around 1.5 stop stop extra! Either my N9 is a very bad abnormal sample or SGS2 is just much better as a camera. I’m sorry to the N9 fans out there but all I can say is that SGS2 is much better as a camera than the N9. (Unless Nokia or someone else can prove that my N9 is indeed faulty. =P)

UPDATE: I will be discussing with the Nokia imaging director at Nokia (Damian Dinning) as I believe that the results from my N9 may not reflect the actual quality. (maybe mine is abnormal) Also, I will be uploading some more photos tonight to make the N9 take photos with a much more similar exposure using a similar ISO value to the SGS2 photos. (by using the NIGHT mode on the N9 which allows lower shutter speeds down to 1/5 sec instead of 1/15 sec in AUTO)

UPDATE2: Here’s an update from Damian Dinning with some extra detail on how the N9 processes the exposure:

N9 uses AMBR automatic motion blur reduction to increase gain based on subject/camera movement to increase the shutter speed to help remove the possibility of camera shake/subject movement. The downside is increased noise. However, we felt it was better to have more noise than blurred pictures. N8 doesn’t use AMBR because it uses xenon where the flash freezes any movement.

So this is why N9 uses 1/30 seconds or higher for flash photos. But to get this shutter speed and maintain correct exposure in dark lighting situation requires higher ISO gain. (hence why N9 uses a higher ISO value also)

FYI – My comparisons I did with N8 and SGS2 are all valid still. I didn’t give any device any more favors than the other. All set to AUTO and just composed the shot and then pressed the shutter. There really isn’t a lot to go wrong or make mistakes. But like all things, there are certain situations when something is worse than the other and I think this was it. So this photo isn’t everything. My N9 is able to very nice pictures still.

UPDATE3: 1 more comparison added. Both shot in AUTO mode with Auto flash enabled from a dark restaurant. (both shots fired flash)

Note that the N9 shot turns out a little warmer in color. This seems to be the case as the dual LED flash on the N9 has a more neutral color to the light while the SGS2 has a much cooler white. This is a matter of preference as neutral tint light brings out more natural looking photos while the whiter tint light looks more vibrant. Both photos can be easily changed to look similar using the PC or on the phone using photo editing apps.

Please click on each photo this time as they are MUCH larger.

NOKIA N9 – FLASH ON
1/30 sec , f2.2 , ISO 325, Flash fired

SAMSUNG GALAXY S2 – FLASH ON
1/20 sec , f2.7 , ISO 80, Flash fired

 

More sample pics from Nokia N9:

(below pics are only resized. No other post processing was performed)

1/1000 sec , f2.2 , ISO 100

1/35 sec , f2.2 , ISO 141 , Macro mode ** CLICK ON PHOTO to see the complete photo **

 1/15 sec , f2.2 , ISO 800 , No Flash

 

57 thoughts on “3 camera shots comparison – Nokia N9 vs Samsung Galaxy S2 (Updated with more N9 pics)”

  1. Wow..what a shocker. Kind of expected it with the N8 since the N8’s camera is pretty unbeatable. But to think it wouldn’t even sit on par with the SGS2’s camera..that’s disappointing.

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    1. That’s what I thought. But I can reproduce it every time. I’m also not a newbie when it comes to digital photography. (I’ve been writing digital photography tutorials/articles since back in 2001) So yeah, I wish I was missing something but I’m quite sure I’m not. Hence I’m a little confused. I might pit it against my Nokia X7 (EDOF) now. =P

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  2. Without flash setup sounds kind of unreal. N9 has slower shutter, larger aperture and higher iso, yet it’s dimmer. Is there also a green tint to it? Surely there must be something blocking the light. Send it for repair 😉

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  3. Jay, can you try to shoot the photos on the n9 manually switching the ISO settings to match those of the SGS2?

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    1. I have also tried this before posting up this article. At the same ISO 400 for the non-flash shot, N9 can’t take the photo bright enough using its minimum AUTO shutter speed of 1/15 so it underexposes the shot and makes it appear very dark.

      In NIGHT mode, N9 can shoot at a much slower 1 / 5 second. However, the fundamental problem lies where “my” N9 is struggling to get as good exposure as the SGS2.

      But…. I will upload the slower shutter speed shots to try and match the ISO of SGS2 photos. As right now it is unfair to the N9 that the photos have a much higher value than the SGS2 photos which makes it look much worse than it is. (I’m sure many won’t know what ISO is and how it affects the photo)

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    1. I have spoke to a Nokia N9 camera s/w engineer at Finland. He advised that the internal image processing algorithm on the N9 is still continuously getting tuned and should be applied in future OS updates. N9 seems to be not handling the low light shots very well right now.

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  4. Try fast movement with/out flash in a dimmer environment in order to test the AMBR. Compare it to GS2. Let’s see if the loss in quality is worth it. 😉

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    1. AMBR to me is just a fancy term for an algorithm which just prioritizes the faster shutter speed for the price of using higher ISO at a given situation. Yes, possibly N9 will end up with less blurry photos caused by hand-shake. If I do get a chance, I will compare more available light shots.

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  5. Jay,

    Is there a way to disable AMBR*, mount both ph’s on tripods.
    And then “manually” configure them w/the same shutter, ISO etc.

    This will give us a more accurate picture of “potential” for both cams
    I know it’s not a true representation of what avg. consumers are getting.

    *And the SGSII’s motion protection algorithm, if it has one.

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    1. AFAIK, There is no way to disable AMBR. Well, Damian didn’t say there was.
      Also, there is no full manual exposure mode. But I can fix the ISO on both phones.
      So I will try to do that later on as well as take some more “snapshots” in AUTO.

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  6. The N9 picture does appear sharper but noisier than the SGS2. It’s easier for me to see that the red book has Korean characters on it in the N9 picture than the SGS2.

    But the main difference I see is that the SGS2 pictures are more heavily saturated, which looks good for toys (makes them look new, not faded). Saturation can be increased as a post-processing step. It would be interesting to see what the N9 pictures look like with increased saturation, see also:
    http://www.sagelighteditor.com/sageweb/saturation.html

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    1. Yeah. I am a fan of less sharpening and less contrast to be able to see more detail. But to an average eye, higher saturation, higher contrast and using stronger sharpening filters makes the image more vibrant and punchy. (much like the dynamic showroom mode on LCD TVs in the electronic stores compared to the more dull looking Plasma TVs which IMO is better in terms of image quality) In this day of facebook, twitter and whatsapp on tiny mobile phone screens, punchy over processed photos seem more accepted as being “better” to general users. I remember Damian Dinning state somewhere that he prefers to use less intrusive noise removal algorithm to keep more of the detail. I can see that in the Nokia N9 photos. Hence the high level of chroma noise.

      I hope people who see this article is smart enough to know the difference between high ISO and low ISO and how it impacts the image quality. N9 is using higher ISO compared to the SGS2 in both situations. This isn’t doing any favours to the N9 for this article I know. But this is what people will get if they buy an N9 themselves compare to the SGS2 in such difficult lighting situations. So yeah, it’s still a valid test based on the result.

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    2. I tried increasing saturation it but it didn’t make a huge difference. It’s not just saturation but the actual colors are different in the N9 and SGS2 pictures. Especially the color of the shelves is noticeably different.

      So I was wrong.

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  7. Quote:
    [AFAIK, There is no way to disable AMBR. Well, Damian didn’t say there was.
    Also, there is no full manual exposure mode. But I can fix the ISO on both phones.
    So I will try to do that later on as well as take some more “snapshots” in AUTO.]

    Hopefully a way to disable it will be revealed eventually.
    Just be interesting to see what impact (if at all) that has.
    No full manual exposure? Lame. Does the SGSII have that option?

    Fixing the same ISO & taking photos from a stable platform will be interesting.
    I imagine AMBR will still play a role, whether it’s really needed or not.
    But hopefully keeping it stationary should limit some of the stuff it does.

    More “snapshots” in AUTO are cool, but likely to continue the disappointment.
    Especially in more dimly lit environments… :(

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    1. Is there a phone that has full manual exposure in the default camera app? I don’t think there is any. Not even the N8 has it. Also, AMBR is really just a fancy term for a different priority in exposure. It just prioritizes higher shutter speed when it can by using higher sensitivity. To disable it manually, you can just select a specific ISO to overcome it from interfering.

      Yes, same ISO image comparisons are more technically correct. But I guess you understand why I chose this AUTO route instead of trying to be a bit more technically accurate as this is how people will shoot 99% of the time.

      For flash photography, SGS2 definitely wins out here IMO. SGS2’s single LED is just noticeably brighter than the N9’s dual LEDs. (In fact, SGS2’s LED is brighter than any other mobile phone I’ve used excluding the xenon flash phones)

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  8. i’ve been using the n9 and i can say i’m not overly impressed with the camera. there’s just too much noise and the pictures look really dim and bit blurry. when you take a pic thats zoomed, there’s even more noise

    i don’t know if its just me or has anyone elsegot this problem. The display i have these black dots. you can’t see it but when the screen has a black background and your in a unlit place they show up. i think its some dust or smudges behind the display but i’M not sure what it is, so i’m taking my phone back to get it resolved

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  9. [Is there a phone that has full manual exposure in the default camera app?
    I don’t think there is any. Not even the N8 has it. ]

    Does the N9 software get closer to that in it’s options than the SGSII?

    [Also, AMBR is really just a fancy term for a different priority in exposure.
    It just prioritizes higher shutter speed when it can by using higher sensitivity.
    To disable it manually, you can just select a specific ISO to overcome it from interfering.]

    Are you 100% sure that setting a specific ISO is all that’s required to stop it doing anything else?

    [Yes, same ISO image comparisons are more technically correct.]

    I look forward to these, thanks mate!!!

    [For flash photography, SGS2 definitely wins out here IMO. SGS2′s single LED is just noticeably brighter than the N9′s dual LEDs. (In fact, SGS2′s LED is brighter than any other mobile phone I’ve used excluding the xenon flash phones)]

    I wonder if there’s a way to hack the LED brightness of the N9.
    Squeeze say 20% more out of them, or thereabouts! ;-P

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    1. Hi Jay did you ever see this post above? (Oct 20)
      I don’t suppose you can spare a minute or two?

      Thank-you very much!

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    2. >> Does the N9 software get closer to that in it’s options than the SGSII?

      SGS2 has more extensive set of options in the Camera settings and it has a better customizable interface as well compared to the N9.

      >> Are you 100% sure that setting a specific ISO is all that’s required to stop it doing anything else?

      Yes, I’m fairly sure. In photography, there really isn’t many variables in terms of exposure control. Sensor sensitivity (ISO), shutter speed and aperture is pretty much it. Considering the only thing which the user can control is the ISO, you could say that we have a ISO priority mode as our only manual exposure mode on the N9.

      >> I look forward to these, thanks mate!!!

      But this also doesn’t make sense when ISO is not on a same scale as we can see by the photos above and its exposure results. So it may not be technically correct.

      >> I wonder if there’s a way to hack the LED brightness of the N9.

      I doubt it. But would be cool. =P

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  10. Typical samsung, cartoon like colors. SGS2 has a good cam, its impressive without flash, but Samsungs color reproduction is always bad, they dont care. Even on displays they have the same problem, SGS is blue everywhere, and Galaxy Tab (7 inch) rily looks like a cartoon, and then i quote a samsung fan and tab owner, he love samsung but as a freelance photographer he dont like the colors.

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  11. One thing has been troubling me for a long time: You have approximately 2 stops difference in the amount of light there when looking at the exposure parameters.

    1/17 sec , f2.7 , ISO 400 -> 7EV @ ISO 400
    1/15 sec , f2.2 , ISO 800 -> 6EV @ ISO 800 = 5EV @ISO400.

    so another photo has wrong sensitivity/aperture/exposure time reported or sgs2 has got 4 times more light available…

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    1. I agree. It’s weird. But this is no mistake on my part I assure you. All I can think of is that SGS2’s ISO values shown in the exif data may be using a different scale to other phones/cameras. This isn’t that uncommon as it happens very often between digital cameras also. (not as often now though)

      I spoke to Damian Dinning from Nokia about this and he also thinks that SGS2’s ISO values may not be on a standard scale. Anyways, I have cleaned the lense, I have shot it many many times, even rebooted the phone etc. Still same. All I can take out of this is that SGS2 is more sensitive (for whatever reason) and is definitely easier to take better looking photos for everyday mobile snap shooters IMHO. I actually think it’s all to do with post processing difference between the two phones. SGS2 does far more post processing to make it look brighter, more saturated and less noisier while N9 tries to keep it to a minimum. (I actually prefer less post-processing than too much)

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  12. There are minor changes in sensitivity (probably due to the fact that defining sensitivity in the first place isn’t that simple with digital sensors). But 2 stops is anything but minor… 2/3 stops would probably be the biggest difference that can be explained by normal variation…

    If you have any digital camera with manual adjustments, you could compare both phones to what the digital camera shows. First take a photo with another phone, look exposure data and adjust digital camera accordingly. After that take a photo with digital camera and see if there is significant difference. Then repeat with another phone.

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  13. I don’t know you guys, but why are you asking “somethin-wrong-in-setting” here when you found out how worse your phone’s camera comparing to other one. Let’s be real ok. Just admit it.

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    1. Because things aren’t always simple yes/no answers, that’s why.
      And we like technical things/problems, don’t you?

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  14. Before you start to compare the phone camera learn the basic of it? Very simple question the Nokia N8 sensor size is 1/1.83 what’s the Nokia N9 sensor size? Whats the SGS 2 sensor size? Get that facts right then go to step 2

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    1. What you say is too much of a blinded argument. Image quality isn’t just based on camera sensor size. Sensor type, sensor technology, image processing algorithm, noise removal algorithm, lense quality and specs all take part. You can easily have better image quality with a smaller sensor. N8 is a 2010 model. N9/SGS2 is 2011. It means that there is always a possibility that the 2011 models may have better IQ even with a smaller sensor. I purposely compared photos in AUTO to ensure that we compare photos that average users will end up with on these phones at such lighting environment. Some actually say SGS2 photos looks much better due to it being more contrasty and saturated. Nokia chose to do less and it’s quite visible. You see more chromatic noise which doesn’t exist on the SGS2 photo. To some, this might be preferred as it sometimes captures more detail with less noise removal. But to some, they will complain that Nokia phones have more noise. It all depends really.

      If you think this was a bad example to compare, what “mobile phone” should I use to compare it with the N8? I’m comparing phones that people use that has a camera. Not a camera that has a phone.

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  15. I totally agree what you said above then how do you judge a photo result by few flashes in bad lighting can judge everything? Do you go around everywhere flashing people with your phone LED like the samples taken by you? Why people spend on DSLR with big aperture lens> What’s the benefit of having bigger aperture like the Nokia N9? Second how do you define average lighting? The samples you compare with your SGS and N9 you notice both picture angle abit different and if you are a photographer you know than a minor angle change makes a huge difference? What firmware version are u using on the Nokia N9? PR1.1 already fixed many issues! My advice compare stuff more interesting like how fast for you to take out the phone and snap a photo? or maybe what’s the minimum focus of both camera? How many perspective angle does the phone have? Can the phone do panning? What’s the DOF like on both phones?

    Lastly just for your info everything makes a difference especially sensor size thats why people spend on F1.2 lenses and full frame DSLR. Then the rest like hardware and softwares comes to importance too.

    If you so love to compare noise you should go for a camera known as king of low light aka SE ARC not SGS II? Conclusion we do not know what you are trying to proof? There wasnt any substantal information to show anything.except showing N9 camera is bad.

    Here a sample taken by SE ARC
    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dJCthmmAb94/TrAP1s-63FI/AAAAAAAAASQ/aVVU82pfLb0/s800/DSC_0073.JPG

    If you really wanna compare then compare from difference aspect like
    Marco, landscape, portrait,night mode, flash mode and etc. Not take which u feel the camera can perform the worse to show its worse then said you are not bias =p

    Here a challenge for you. Here are some sample photos taken by my Nokia N8 without post processing/additonal lens or editing can you try to recreate it with your SGS II or iphone 4S or ARC maybe?

    This the power of sensor size and megapixels combine
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenokiagallery/collections/72157626524215802/

    No offense to you mate you asked i just explain.

    I do not have a SGS II but here my version of Nokia N9 PR 1.1
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenokiagallery/sets/72157628108988288/detail/

    Samples from Nokia N9 PR 1.0
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenokiagallery/sets/72157627745035575/detail/

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    1. I can promise you jakiman’s not biased.
      He’s been a long-time user/supporter of Maemo5/6.
      I believe he’s also a big fan of Samsung.
      But I dont think he’d let “fandom” cloud his judgement.

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    2. Interesting. You actually think I’m biased towards Samsung? Now that’s a first. =P

      I guess you haven’t noticed that 99% of my articles/tweets/forum activity are Nokia related. I don’t even own a SGS2. I bought it back in May, then sold it a month later. This SGS2 I used for this comparison was using my friend’s one. I was hoping N9 camera was all that.. But sadly it wasn’t.

      I will follow up with a more detailed response later as I’m just about to leave. But yeah, you are getting offended by a simple photo taken with 2 phones. As you seem biased towards the N9, I guess I can understand that you feel offended by these results.

      Yes, I used to be a photographer and a digital photography techno-geek who used to run a digital camera website since 2001 and write commercial tutorials/reviews. Bought the very first Canon DSLR, the D30 when it came out and owned around 20+ lenses, more bodies etc. I assure you I know what I’m talking about in terms of digital photography and most likely more of a technical nut than you.

      I’m actually not sure what you are trying to prove. Are you saying your N9 can take better photos than my “beloved” N9 at the same circumstances? PR1.1? No. You do realize that this article was published way back in October 7 when it didn’t even exist?

      Edit:

      Okay. I’m back. Yes, this article is not a full blown “professional” photo comparison. Heck, it only compares 3 photos. All from a bad lighting environment. If you believe this is making the N9 look worse than the SGS2, well, then N9 is worse in such situations isn’t it. That’s all you need to take from this article.

      When I have time, and now that I have PR1.1 on my N9, I will try to do a “better” comparison. But as I don’t own SGS2, iPhone4S or any other new phones, it may take a while. But really, the lack of 2 stage physical camera button on the N9 is putting me off enough to not bother. (I’m old school =p)

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  16. I agree what the other forumer said due to the author lack of professonalism you give a bad impression to the branding. Numbers are just numbers if the author do not know how to take it will still end up the same

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    1. My website is currently pretty much Nokia-centric as you noticed. Pretty much most visitors to my site are Nokia users or interested in Nokia phones. If the N9 photos in this article turned out much better than SGS2, I’m sure the response would have been different. =P

      But unfortunately, as much as I would have liked the N9 to produce amazing photos as well, it does not in such lighting situations. My photos produced above are unaltered, unbiased and non-doctered in any way. All that was done was resizing. It didn’t require a PhD to take these photos either. Point and shoot in AUTO mode. Not much to go wrong really. (and I’ve taken the photos many times over) I have stated everything that was involved and even Nokia’s Damian Dinning couldn’t disagree with my results. So no idea why others think this article is wrong, biased and anti-N9. I only posted what I got. Not what I wanted to convey. =(

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  17. Hi Jay,

    I just realized you may not have responded to my post all this time because…
    When *bumping*, I was responding to myself!

    I think you’re only informed about new posts when they’re fresh ones like this.
    Or when someone’s responding directly to one of your posts.

    So just in case this is true….
    If you’ve got a minute or two, could you please address my post dated 20/10?

    Thanks mate.

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  18. [“SGS2 has more extensive set of options in the Camera settings and it has a better customizable interface as well compared to the N9.”]

    I’m surprised by that, you still have the loaned SGSII at hand to compare every feature?
    Better customizable interface, I’m not so surprised about that. :-)

    [“Yes, I’m fairly sure. In photography, there really isn’t many variables in terms of exposure control. Sensor sensitivity (ISO), shutter speed and aperture is pretty much it.
    Considering the only thing which the user can control is the ISO, you could say that we have a ISO priority mode as our only manual exposure mode on the N9.

    [“But this also doesn’t make sense when ISO is not on a same scale as we can see by the photos above and its exposure results. So it may not be technically correct.”]

    Some earlier responses of yours:

    “AFAIK, There is no way to disable AMBR. Well, Damian didn’t say there was.
    Also, there is no full manual exposure mode. But I can fix the ISO on both phones.
    So I will try to do that later on as well as take some more “snapshots” in AUTO”
    “Yes, same ISO image comparisons are more technically correct. ”

    Then later you seem confident that we can fully disable AMBR.
    And that applying similar ISO is no longer a good test (in theory).
    Did Damien explain something to you??

    Would be really cool to see a comparo with:
    More subjects, different lighting (dark & light), AMBR disabled/minimised, all photos taken from a modded tripod.
    I think the N9’s particularly susceptible to handshake, given the lame fact that there’s no 2-stage button.

    [“I doubt it. But would be cool.”]

    If there’s anything I’ve learnt from the N900, it’s that never doubt anything! 😉
    Right now it’s looking glum for the N9 in many respects sw-wise, but it can all ‘turn-on-a-dime’.

    Cheers mate!

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    1. I don’t have the SGS2 with me now. But just had a quick look at gsmarena’s review confirmed it for me. Basically, N9 camera app doesn’t allow access to the front camera, has less shooting/scene modes, has no metering mode setting, guidelines grid, blink/smile detection etc etc.
      http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-review-597p9.php

      In terms of testing the ISO, it doesn’t make sense or isn’t a good test due to the way N9 and SGS2 exposes. Their exposure level is different. SGS2 seems to be more sensitive to light or it’s doing far more post processing. Either way, it won’t be a very good comparison and may not be fair for the N9 IMO. If I get a chance, I will try it but no idea when it may be.

      Nokia N9 developers definitely did not have enough time to develop the N9 SW. Hence it is lagging behind compared to the more mature Android devices. Heck, even the UI of the N900 camera is better than the N9. Hopefully PR1.2 will reduce the gap. To me, N9 went the way which I didn’t want Nokia to go. They made the Meego 1.2 Harmattan look and feel soooooooo basic. As I was an N900 user before the N9, this change is a slap in the face for me. It’s like they threw away everything that was good about the N900 and started all over.. for the worse.. and hiding all the useful “Advanced” user settings and UX. It’s the like the devs never used their own Symbian phones, N900, competitor’s iPhones and Android phones and just did what they felt like. Other than the awesome multi-tasking capability (which N900 does just as well), nearly everything falls short of other competitors. This frustrates me as I was hoping it to be much better. Heck, even my N8’s mail client is better, browser is more capable, video app plays more videos, has HDMI, has USBOTG, has FM transmitter, has MicroSD slot, has widgets, has voice guidance with street names, has 2 stage camera button, has smart dial (Kontorri didn’t even know what this was!!) etc etc. I expected so much more. Hence my disappointment is just as big. But yeah, it’s still a very unique device with lots of potential. I’m sure PR1.2 will make it better and PR1.3 should iron out a lot of issues. Guess we just have to wait. =P

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  19. No way, really? I need to have closer look at the GSMArena review for both again.
    I can’t believe it’s got so freaking much over the N9…
    It sounds like PR1.2 is very camera-focused, so hopefully the gap closes.
    But it’s such a huge one, and that’s not even comparing ICS! Sheesh.
    Maybe I’ll buy one of the better apps floating around, do they improve things?

    I know their exposure level is different…
    But that doesn’t mean you can’t find their ISO “sweet-spots” & then compare.
    Of course you can’t do much if SGSII is doing way more post-processing.
    We’ll just have to hope the more optimal ISO for the N9 is enough to improve things.
    Of course only if you have the time, it’d be quite painstaking to do ‘properly’.

    You paint such horridly negative picture compared to the N900.
    I find it hard to believe it’s worse in every conceivable way.
    Many of the things you highlight will be addressed.
    Some of them are unknowns/maybes, but many are definites.
    I’ve been a long time Maemo user…
    Still don’t have my N9, waiting for the white & then will compare with the black.
    I guess I will assess for myself once I have it.

    Came across this, thought it may be of interest
    http://hiro-n9.weebly.com/

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    1. Yeah, I guess I was a little too negative towards it when I wrote that. =P
      N9 is an awesome device. It caters for the masses. It’s very unique.
      But I guess I’m not part of Nokia’s targeted user base for the N9…
      I have big hopes for PR1.2. Hopefully they will release it soon. =)

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  20. Just got a response via email from a Nokia dev about the printer app on that site.
    Apparently it’s a month away & won’t be integrated into the UX/system as I was hoping.
    It’s a stand-alone app…

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  21. [“But I guess I’m not part of Nokia’s targeted user base for the N9…
    I have big hopes for PR1.2. Hopefully they will release it soon. =)”]

    Yeah they desperately need to, I’m really hoping they fix/improve “lots” of stuff.

    I don’t even care if they don’t add too many more features…
    There’s just so many weird issues I’m reading about, I mean shit-loads!
    They need to focus on getting them sorted 1st, & getting a fix out sooner.
    Then go back to adding a whole bunch of sorely needed features.

    I too am very disappointed in many ways, & I don’t even have a N9 yet, just been following closely.
    But I will stick with the community & try to help as best I can, wherever I can.
    That doesn’t mean I won’t play around with other stuff though. :)

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  22. Someone confirmed for me the following WRT improvements from 1.0 to 1.1:

    “improved a lot….
    The contrast, sharpness all more accurate compare to earlier over darken the photo”

    He’s got lots of shots up at flickr pre and post 1.0, would you agree?
    I really hope there’s much bigger improvements with 1.2…
    I wanna see N9 surpass iP4S in almost every way when it comes to the camera.

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  23. @jay

    Someone confirmed for me the following WRT improvements from 1.0 to 1.1:

    “improved a lot….
    The contrast, sharpness all more accurate compare to earlier over darken the photo”

    He’s got lots of shots up at flickr pre and post 1.0, would you agree?
    I really hope there’s much bigger improvements with 1.2…
    I wanna see N9 surpass iP4S in almost every way when it comes to the camera.nn1

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  24. the AMBR is meant to be automatic right!!! In this case you are taking static objects that are not moving, and should not suffer too much from motion blur. It is silly that Nokia implemented this as opposed to just having the phone user to change to a sport mode.

    That is what I do with my N8. If I do not want to use the xenon flash, and yet wnt to reduce motion blur, just switch to sports mode scene program, and vola, much faster shutter speeds, and higher ISOs for automatic.

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